Mary Ann Morris I was trying to get in ### but I can't find your house. 00:00:07.443 - 00:00:11.620 Deborah Robinson Oh dear. 00:00:11.626 - 00:00:12.740 Deborah Robinson Now do you speak much--very much Alutiiq Mary Ann? 00:00:12.740 - 00:00:14.950 Mary Ann Morris Mm-mm. I-- 00:00:14.900 - 00:00:16.220 Deborah Robinson You understand? 00:00:15.790 - 00:00:16.838 Mary Ann Morris I understand #. 00:00:16.350 - 00:00:17.910 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:00:17.550 - 00:00:18.120 Deborah Robinson Well mostly what I was interested in finding out was, um, 00:00:20.252 - 00:00:25.550 Deborah Robinson what Kanatak was like, and also what--kind of the process leading up to when everybody left. 00:00:25.550 - 00:00:32.080 Deborah Robinson What was, what that was like. 00:00:32.080 - 00:00:33.714 Deborah Robinson Um, and, you know, what years Pauline was wor--living there, and, 00:00:33.714 - 00:00:39.960 Mary Ann Morris #### 00:00:39.952 - 00:00:40.774 Deborah Robinson Uh, were you born in Kanatak? 00:00:40.842 - 00:00:42.560 Mary Ann Morris I was, mhm. 00:00:42.557 - 00:00:43.450 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:00:43.224 - 00:00:43.864 Mary Ann Morris And uh, I, I left in... let's see. 00:00:43.918 - 00:00:50.790 Mary Ann Morris It was 1947. 00:00:50.803 - 00:00:53.490 Deborah Robinson '47? And was that--were you among the last people who left there? 00:00:53.490 - 00:00:56.620 Deborah Robinson ### people there? 00:00:57.680 - 00:00:59.574 Deborah Robinson You can move the table around too if that will help. Ok. 00:01:10.294 - 00:01:12.839 Deborah Robinson Ok. Um, 00:01:18.143 - 00:01:19.569 Deborah Robinson Maybe just ask her what year she lived in the village. 00:01:20.963 - 00:01:24.480 Mary Ann Morris Um, when the volcanic uh, eruption, Katmai uh volcano erupted, 00:01:25.589 - 00:01:34.490 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:01:31.530 - 00:01:32.221 Mary Ann Morris um, it was a few days later Mother was born. 00:01:34.547 - 00:01:40.130 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:01:40.130 - 00:01:41.588 Mary Ann Morris In um, it was Cold Bay. 00:01:40.953 - 00:01:44.470 Deborah Robinson Oh, in Cold Bay? 00:01:44.488 - 00:01:45.825 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:01:45.570 - 00:01:46.500 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:01:45.825 - 00:01:46.840 Mary Ann Morris See there's two Cold Bays. There's one, 00:01:46.790 - 00:01:48.810 Deborah Robinson Was there one right near Katmai? 00:01:48.819 - 00:01:50.378 Mary Ann Morris Uh, let me see. 00:01:50.466 - 00:01:52.299 Mary Ann Morris Not too far from White Bay. 00:01:53.839 - 00:01:55.382 Mary Ann Morris 'Cause that's what she says, you know. 00:01:55.382 - 00:01:57.960 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:01:55.840 - 00:01:56.920 Mary Ann Morris So there's two Cold Bays. 00:01:57.960 - 00:01:59.901 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:01:58.040 - 00:01:58.750 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:01:59.904 - 00:02:00.703 Deborah Robinson So that's where she was born. 00:02:01.001 - 00:02:02.727 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:02:02.626 - 00:02:03.339 Mary Ann Morris # about 1912. 00:02:03.783 - 00:02:05.509 Mary Ann Morris She was 16 # 1912. 00:02:06.058 - 00:02:09.510 Deborah Robinson And then her family went from there to Kanatak? 00:02:10.440 - 00:02:14.020 Mary Ann Morris Mhm, yes. 00:02:14.089 - 00:02:15.480 Mary Ann Morris They had to um, because of the volcano. 00:02:15.480 - 00:02:21.087 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:02:21.134 - 00:02:21.776 Mary Ann Morris They had to evacuate. 00:02:21.657 - 00:02:22.990 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:02:23.016 - 00:02:23.820 Mary Ann Morris 'Cause they were in the Katmai village. 00:02:23.867 - 00:02:25.960 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:02:25.980 - 00:02:27.072 Mary Ann Morris Where her parents were. 00:02:26.813 - 00:02:29.198 Deborah Robinson Um, do you know when the school started there, in Kanatak? 00:02:29.777 - 00:02:33.620 Mary Ann Morris ## 00:02:33.620 - 00:02:34.340 Mary Ann Morris I, I don't--I don't know ####. 00:02:35.001 - 00:02:39.960 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:02:39.978 - 00:02:40.808 Deborah Robinson Do you know if she went to school at all when she was--? 00:02:40.808 - 00:02:44.076 Mary Ann Morris She went, uh, to grade--third grade. 00:02:44.090 - 00:02:48.850 Deborah Robinson To third grade? 00:02:48.826 - 00:02:49.798 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:02:49.308 - 00:02:50.169 Deborah Robinson Do you know how old she was when she started school? 00:02:49.798 - 00:02:52.223 Mary Ann Morris I imagine it was um, you know, like, was it-- 00:02:55.466 - 00:03:01.240 Deborah Robinson Was it the regular time? 00:03:01.250 - 00:03:02.620 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:03:02.140 - 00:03:02.690 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:03:02.620 - 00:03:03.250 Mary Ann Morris Six year old. 00:03:02.874 - 00:03:03.882 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:03:03.685 - 00:03:04.507 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:03:05.391 - 00:03:06.143 Deborah Robinson One thing uh, 00:03:06.410 - 00:03:07.319 Deborah Robinson if we um, if we need some help talking about things, I have some old census lists and stuff from the 40s, ## probably in there. 00:03:07.319 - 00:03:13.737 Deborah Robinson ((laughs)) 00:03:13.737 - 00:03:15.130 Mary Ann Morris Oh wow, that's interesting. 00:03:13.826 - 00:03:16.153 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:03:16.275 - 00:03:16.981 Mary Ann Morris Really interesting. 00:03:17.013 - 00:03:18.836 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh. 00:03:18.961 - 00:03:20.085 Mary Ann Morris Um, you said you had photos? 00:03:19.720 - 00:03:22.380 Deborah Robinson Um, I don't have too many photos, but I have, 00:03:22.451 - 00:03:25.420 Deborah Robinson I have a few school group, 00:03:25.420 - 00:03:28.027 Deborah Robinson things. These are the census records here, 00:03:29.210 - 00:03:32.910 Deborah Robinson and there are some school records. 00:03:32.910 - 00:03:35.036 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? 00:03:34.342 - 00:03:35.175 Mary Ann Morris Hm. 00:03:35.652 - 00:03:36.242 Deborah Robinson Actually the school photos might be-- 00:03:38.059 - 00:03:42.710 Deborah Robinson Yeah, maybe we could even just look at that. 00:03:42.710 - 00:03:44.639 Deborah Robinson That might be fun. 00:03:45.661 - 00:03:46.601 Mary Ann Morris She, she, she does more visual, 00:03:46.769 - 00:03:50.312 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:03:49.864 - 00:03:50.633 Mary Ann Morris uh, remembering. 00:03:50.312 - 00:03:52.471 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:03:51.390 - 00:03:52.400 Deborah Robinson All right. 00:03:52.705 - 00:03:53.654 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. These are the people I remember. 00:03:53.548 - 00:03:55.990 Deborah Robinson This is 1939. 00:03:56.299 - 00:03:57.650 Mary Ann Morris Oh my goodness. 00:03:57.650 - 00:03:58.907 Deborah Robinson ## 00:03:58.580 - 00:03:59.618 Mary Ann Morris What is this? 00:03:59.253 - 00:04:00.872 Deborah Robinson This is from the census. 00:04:00.110 - 00:04:01.396 Mary Ann Morris Oh, census. Ok, ok. 00:04:01.410 - 00:04:03.500 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:04:02.380 - 00:04:03.020 Deborah Robinson So, 00:04:04.012 - 00:04:04.623 Mary Ann Morris We know these people, Dan and Lizzy Amook. 00:04:04.503 - 00:04:07.804 Deborah Robinson Now, one--one thing I'd be interested in too, is uh, 00:04:07.544 - 00:04:11.564 Deborah Robinson if you remember when people left the village and where they went to. 00:04:11.820 - 00:04:15.675 Mary Ann Morris Ok, um, let's see we came, 00:04:16.129 - 00:04:19.181 Mary Ann Morris in 1947. 00:04:19.805 - 00:04:25.826 Mary Ann Morris She came, she had to come over here. 00:04:26.712 - 00:04:29.557 Deborah Robinson Back to Kodiak? 00:04:29.270 - 00:04:30.412 Mary Ann Morris Not back, just to Kodiak. 00:04:30.559 - 00:04:32.948 Deborah Robinson To Kodiak. Right. 00:04:32.394 - 00:04:33.413 Mary Ann Morris And um, I think she's gone back twice, 00:04:33.942 - 00:04:38.727 Mary Ann Morris I think, you know, she came back here and we were living here ever since. 00:04:38.872 - 00:04:43.120 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:04:41.118 - 00:04:41.939 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:04:43.234 - 00:04:44.012 Mary Ann Morris ((sighs)) Let me see. 00:04:45.890 - 00:04:48.568 Mary Ann Morris 1957, 00:04:50.152 - 00:04:52.808 Deborah Robinson Now I may have a later one too here. 00:04:52.809 - 00:04:55.270 Deborah Robinson ### 00:04:56.143 - 00:04:57.536 Mary Ann Morris Probably ###. 00:04:56.946 - 00:05:00.054 Deborah Robinson When the last people lived? 00:05:00.114 - 00:05:01.683 Mary Ann Morris ## 00:05:01.709 - 00:05:02.262 Deborah Robinson Boy, I didn't know it was that late. 00:05:02.020 - 00:05:03.520 Mary Ann Morris ## 00:05:02.930 - 00:05:04.080 Deborah Robinson How many people were still left at that time? 00:05:03.963 - 00:05:06.074 Mary Ann Morris Oh ok. 00:05:05.787 - 00:05:06.583 Mary Ann Morris There was Lucy, 00:05:06.935 - 00:05:08.231 Mary Ann Morris and her son, 00:05:08.916 - 00:05:12.273 Mary Ann Morris I think the girls, the girls left. 00:05:12.273 - 00:05:16.571 Deborah Robinson Now is that the same Amook as uh, Amook Island is named after? 00:05:16.732 - 00:05:20.740 Mary Ann Morris No, uh-uh. No. 00:05:20.738 - 00:05:21.423 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:05:21.432 - 00:05:22.660 Mary Ann Morris I don't think so. 00:05:22.664 - 00:05:23.549 Mary Ann Morris Lucy, Dan, 00:05:24.015 - 00:05:26.601 Mary Ann Morris um Boskofsky, 00:05:26.840 - 00:05:29.139 Mary Ann Morris um, they were there. 00:05:29.756 - 00:05:32.153 Deborah Robinson Until--now are you talking about until the 60s, or until the 40s? 00:05:32.153 - 00:05:35.660 Mary Ann Morris No. Uh, in the, 00:05:35.676 - 00:05:39.107 Mary Ann Morris maybe late, late 50s. 00:05:39.107 - 00:05:41.710 Deborah Robinson Really? Ok. 00:05:41.720 - 00:05:42.882 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:05:42.640 - 00:05:43.298 Mary Ann Morris And, uh, they called her Dolly Estinia. 00:05:43.713 - 00:05:47.810 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:05:47.810 - 00:05:48.800 Mary Ann Morris Uh, 00:05:48.887 - 00:05:49.676 Deborah Robinson Dunia Boskofsky? 00:05:49.727 - 00:05:51.740 Mary Ann Morris uh, 00:05:51.370 - 00:05:52.330 Deborah Robinson So Dolly? Ok. 00:05:52.050 - 00:05:53.797 Mary Ann Morris Dura. 00:05:54.646 - 00:05:55.634 Deborah Robinson A lot of times there are mispellings and things in the, in this census. #### 00:05:56.668 - 00:06:02.412 Deborah Robinson Now do you know, is this Jenny Chernikoff the same one who lives in Ouzinkie now? 00:06:02.412 - 00:06:06.640 Mary Ann Morris Jenny Chernikoff? 00:06:06.633 - 00:06:08.414 Mary Ann Morris ## 00:06:08.422 - 00:06:10.651 Deborah Robinson There's a Jenny Chernikoff that's married to Mike Chernikoff that lives in Ouzinkie. 00:06:09.290 - 00:06:12.741 Deborah Robinson I know she lived somewhere on--or one of them lived somewhere else, but I don't know if it's the same one or not. It may not be. 00:06:12.741 - 00:06:18.704 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:06:17.012 - 00:06:18.071 Mary Ann Morris Now this is Unesima, 00:06:18.485 - 00:06:20.380 Mary Ann Morris this is my mother's um, brother-in-law. 00:06:20.380 - 00:06:24.223 Deborah Robinson Oh, ok. 00:06:23.933 - 00:06:25.377 Mary Ann Morris And she's married--or he's married to Sarah. 00:06:24.938 - 00:06:28.248 Deborah Robinson Ok, so her maiden name was Chernikoff? 00:06:27.938 - 00:06:30.696 Mary Ann Morris No. 00:06:30.381 - 00:06:31.419 Deborah Robinson Oh the brother-in-law? Ok. 00:06:30.945 - 00:06:34.080 Mary Ann Morris Ok, her na--uh, Sarah's maiden name is um, 00:06:33.063 - 00:06:36.870 Mary Ann Morris Kelnikoff. 00:06:36.870 - 00:06:39.518 Deborah Robinson Kelnikoff. Ok. 00:06:39.070 - 00:06:41.292 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:06:39.822 - 00:06:40.725 Mary Ann Morris This is her. #### 00:06:41.375 - 00:06:45.840 Pauline Huh? 00:06:49.737 - 00:06:50.825 Mary Ann Morris Mama, do you know, 00:06:50.391 - 00:06:52.330 Mary Ann Morris uh Willy Fred? 00:06:52.330 - 00:06:55.346 Pauline Huh? 00:06:52.490 - 00:06:53.358 Mary Ann Morris Uh, Willy Fred? 00:06:55.520 - 00:06:57.220 Pauline Willy? 00:06:57.490 - 00:06:58.539 Mary Ann Morris Fred? 00:06:58.410 - 00:06:59.520 Mary Ann Morris Willy Fred? 00:07:00.419 - 00:07:02.162 Pauline Oh. 00:07:02.196 - 00:07:03.496 Mary Ann Morris Wow, this is so interesting. 00:07:03.985 - 00:07:05.515 Mary Ann Morris And Annie Fred. Ok. 00:07:05.515 - 00:07:08.539 Mary Ann Morris Nikolai--this is my mother's parents right here. 00:07:08.539 - 00:07:11.347 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:07:10.906 - 00:07:12.277 Mary Ann Morris Uh, Nikolai and then uh Tootsie. 00:07:12.320 - 00:07:15.588 Mary Ann Morris Her name is--her, her um--this is her nickname. 00:07:15.588 - 00:07:20.634 Mary Ann Morris Tootsie. 00:07:20.634 - 00:07:21.510 Mary Ann Morris Her, her name is Dora. 00:07:21.510 - 00:07:23.748 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:07:21.712 - 00:07:23.257 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:07:23.603 - 00:07:24.874 Deborah Robinson Her mother's was? 00:07:25.130 - 00:07:26.350 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:07:25.966 - 00:07:26.673 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:07:26.379 - 00:07:27.298 Mary Ann Morris Ok, this is--yeah. This is her brother. 00:07:27.076 - 00:07:29.901 Deborah Robinson Jake? 00:07:29.470 - 00:07:30.280 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:07:30.150 - 00:07:30.920 Mary Ann Morris # 00:07:32.945 - 00:07:33.786 Deborah Robinson Sarah, I think. 00:07:33.610 - 00:07:34.940 Mary Ann Morris Oh, Sarah, ok. 00:07:34.642 - 00:07:36.112 Mary Ann Morris And George, #Evelyn. 00:07:36.112 - 00:07:38.740 Mary Ann Morris Alexandria. 00:07:38.740 - 00:07:40.250 Mary Ann Morris She had sixteen brothers and sisters. 00:07:40.250 - 00:07:43.410 Deborah Robinson Wow. That's a big family. 00:07:42.160 - 00:07:45.045 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:07:44.460 - 00:07:46.030 Pauline ((laughs)) 00:07:45.721 - 00:07:48.780 Mary Ann Morris Wow. 1939? Gosh. 00:07:48.733 - 00:07:52.390 Deborah Robinson Mhm. 00:07:51.590 - 00:07:52.600 Mary Ann Morris That's so neat. 00:07:52.642 - 00:07:55.161 Mary Ann Morris Uh, 00:07:57.376 - 00:07:58.767 Deborah Robinson Now, of the brothers and sisters, do you know which stayed in Kanatak and which--which places people moved to? 00:07:59.179 - 00:08:05.247 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Mhm. Ok, 00:08:03.823 - 00:08:06.482 Mary Ann Morris Deacon uh stayed in Kanatak, 00:08:06.482 - 00:08:08.900 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:08:08.920 - 00:08:09.880 Mary Ann Morris and there's also Mike, and he's, 00:08:09.496 - 00:08:12.530 Deborah Robinson And, and where did he go when everybody left? 00:08:11.900 - 00:08:14.543 Mary Ann Morris Ok, um, Deacon got sick and he had to go to Anchorage, to the hospital. 00:08:13.988 - 00:08:20.250 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:08:18.500 - 00:08:19.610 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:08:20.334 - 00:08:21.199 Mary Ann Morris To the #Anders hospital. 00:08:20.580 - 00:08:21.810 Mary Ann Morris And that's where he died. 00:08:21.810 - 00:08:23.740 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:08:23.390 - 00:08:24.320 Mary Ann Morris Uh, 00:08:24.104 - 00:08:25.034 Deborah Robinson Now was that TB, or do you know what kind of--? 00:08:24.714 - 00:08:27.594 Mary Ann Morris Uh, no, no I don't. 00:08:27.264 - 00:08:30.070 Deborah Robinson Just some-- 00:08:28.570 - 00:08:29.805 Deborah Robinson i- if there's some kind of--one of the things, reasons we're doing this study is to find out if there's some pattern why people left villages. 00:08:29.805 - 00:08:38.640 Mary Ann Morris Oh ok. 00:08:38.520 - 00:08:39.410 Deborah Robinson So if there's something like TB or you know flu epidemic or something like that, 00:08:38.640 - 00:08:43.667 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Mhm. 00:08:41.905 - 00:08:43.408 Mary Ann Morris There-- 00:08:43.590 - 00:08:45.170 Deborah Robinson that would have been a common reason that peop- a lot of people died, then we're interested in that. 00:08:43.667 - 00:08:49.533 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Ok, yes. They did have a, a, I guess influenza, 00:08:47.984 - 00:08:53.387 Deborah Robinson Mhm. 00:08:53.370 - 00:08:53.890 Mary Ann Morris uh epidemic. 00:08:53.387 - 00:08:55.745 Deborah Robinson Yeah. That was back in the teens probably huh? 00:08:54.406 - 00:08:57.090 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:08:57.243 - 00:08:58.167 Mary Ann Morris And--well, she was born 1912, 00:08:58.225 - 00:09:01.925 Mary Ann Morris and then her uh, I think she said her and John, she said the whole village, ah, was sick. 00:09:01.925 - 00:09:09.208 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:09:09.208 - 00:09:10.062 Mary Ann Morris Uh, influenza. 00:09:09.858 - 00:09:11.643 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:09:11.440 - 00:09:12.340 Mary Ann Morris And um, 00:09:11.643 - 00:09:15.991 Mary Ann Morris I don't know how, how they got the idea of just using hot water and pepper. 00:09:16.042 - 00:09:23.110 Mary Ann Morris And they drank that and that made them better. 00:09:23.110 - 00:09:26.542 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:09:23.320 - 00:09:24.180 Deborah Robinson Really? 00:09:26.204 - 00:09:27.324 Mary Ann Morris And so she was able to go, her and her brother was able to go and help other people. 00:09:26.563 - 00:09:32.950 Deborah Robinson Wow. 00:09:33.030 - 00:09:33.770 Deborah Robinson Do you know at that time if there was a Native healer in the village? A midwife, or, 00:09:33.770 - 00:09:38.360 Deborah Robinson shaman or somebody like that? 00:09:38.360 - 00:09:41.189 Mary Ann Morris Oh, yes. Uh-uh. 00:09:38.776 - 00:09:41.853 Mary Ann Morris Mama? Um, the shaman? Do you know the name of the shaman? 00:09:42.160 - 00:09:48.580 Pauline Hm? 00:09:43.740 - 00:09:44.610 Pauline #? 00:09:48.445 - 00:09:50.077 Mary Ann Morris No. Shaman. 00:09:49.634 - 00:09:51.045 Mary Ann Morris Medicine man. 00:09:55.817 - 00:09:57.068 Pauline Outside? 00:09:57.137 - 00:09:58.500 Mary Ann Morris No. Kanatak. 00:09:58.031 - 00:10:01.024 Pauline Kanatak, no. 00:10:01.042 - 00:10:02.666 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? 00:10:02.519 - 00:10:03.443 Pauline Uh-huh. Kanatak. 00:10:03.425 - 00:10:06.361 Mary Ann Morris Do you know? Uh-huh, no. 00:10:05.224 - 00:10:07.152 Mary Ann Morris I think we're--I think I'll just let her have the feel of today. 00:10:07.163 - 00:10:12.350 Deborah Robinson Sure. 00:10:11.796 - 00:10:12.629 Mary Ann Morris And then-- 00:10:12.350 - 00:10:13.527 Deborah Robinson And we can meet again another time. 00:10:12.629 - 00:10:14.100 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. And I ##, 00:10:13.527 - 00:10:15.841 Deborah Robinson Maybe Nina could come another time. 00:10:14.503 - 00:10:16.450 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:10:15.922 - 00:10:16.764 Deborah Robinson She thought that you would be able to interpret, but if it, 00:10:16.450 - 00:10:19.380 Deborah Robinson after we get to know each other a little bit maybe we could have Nina or someone else come over. 00:10:19.380 - 00:10:22.680 Mary Ann Morris ## 00:10:19.499 - 00:10:20.917 Mary Ann Morris Ok. There's a lady on Hillside that um, 00:10:22.395 - 00:10:27.058 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:10:24.919 - 00:10:26.048 Mary Ann Morris you know, that speaks, so um-- 00:10:27.058 - 00:10:29.869 Deborah Robinson What's her name? 00:10:28.600 - 00:10:29.730 Mary Ann Morris ((sighs)) 00:10:29.917 - 00:10:31.781 Deborah Robinson Oh that's ok. ((laughs)) 00:10:30.889 - 00:10:33.555 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. It's just a short lady. You've probably seen her. 00:10:31.840 - 00:10:35.950 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:10:35.920 - 00:10:37.130 Mary Ann Morris Just a short little lady. 00:10:36.240 - 00:10:37.853 Mary Ann Morris Um, curly hair, 00:10:38.640 - 00:10:41.328 Mary Ann Morris short curly hair. 00:10:41.918 - 00:10:44.010 Deborah Robinson Uh, Rick and Philamina probably know her. 00:10:43.278 - 00:10:45.892 Mary Ann Morris Oh ok. 00:10:44.510 - 00:10:46.455 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:10:46.455 - 00:10:50.960 Mary Ann Morris Oh, ok. This--oh, so it tells you, 00:10:50.960 - 00:10:53.520 Mary Ann Morris this, ok, Evelyn, 00:10:53.520 - 00:10:56.272 Deborah Robinson Yeah, it tells you who are-- 00:10:53.550 - 00:10:55.875 Mary Ann Morris is George's wife. Ok, 00:10:56.300 - 00:10:58.953 Mary Ann Morris and this is their daughter? 00:10:58.969 - 00:11:01.764 Deborah Robinson And they stayed in, they stayed in there 'til the 60s? 00:11:00.029 - 00:11:03.709 Mary Ann Morris Ok. No, I--he died. 00:11:03.576 - 00:11:08.206 Deborah Robinson Ok. George died? 00:11:07.762 - 00:11:09.644 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. Alexandria and #Sa, 00:11:09.044 - 00:11:12.660 Mary Ann Morris hm. That's their daughters. Huh. 00:11:12.660 - 00:11:15.560 Mary Ann Morris This is so interesting. I can't believe it. 00:11:15.560 - 00:11:18.148 Deborah Robinson ((laughs)) So these are probably ol- enough older than you than it's--? 00:11:18.045 - 00:11:23.254 Mary Ann Morris I was born 1943. 00:11:22.130 - 00:11:24.300 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:11:24.084 - 00:11:25.040 Mary Ann Morris Yeah, so I-- 00:11:24.904 - 00:11:26.905 Deborah Robinson So um, you probably haven't seen this all out on paper before? 00:11:25.610 - 00:11:29.411 Mary Ann Morris Mm-mm. No, I haven't. 00:11:27.940 - 00:11:30.443 Mary Ann Morris Ok and uh Cosbrook, ok, 00:11:30.846 - 00:11:35.024 Mary Ann Morris oh my gosh. And how would you pronounce this? 00:11:37.859 - 00:11:43.077 Deborah Robinson Would that be Giacometti? That sounds like an Italian name. 00:11:41.991 - 00:11:45.620 Mary Ann Morris Oh. 00:11:44.684 - 00:11:46.241 Deborah Robinson I don't know if this was uh, # 00:11:45.620 - 00:11:48.670 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh? 00:11:47.250 - 00:11:48.158 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh? So # would it be, 00:11:48.361 - 00:11:51.466 Deborah Robinson three quarters Native. 00:11:49.730 - 00:11:51.673 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh? 00:11:51.601 - 00:11:52.514 Deborah Robinson Or half. Sure sounds like there's Italian in there somewhere. 00:11:52.541 - 00:11:56.568 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. With that name. 00:11:55.927 - 00:11:57.644 Mary Ann Morris Elizabeth and Murphy? Yeah, she knew those. 00:11:58.120 - 00:12:01.650 Mary Ann Morris Mm, Nikolai--oh, ok. 00:12:01.650 - 00:12:05.369 Deborah Robinson Nikolai. He was the chief, so-- 00:12:04.100 - 00:12:06.650 Mary Ann Morris Chief? Ok. 00:12:05.470 - 00:12:07.370 Mary Ann Morris Wow. Barbara, 00:12:07.370 - 00:12:10.770 Mary Ann Morris huh. Marie, 00:12:10.790 - 00:12:13.326 Mary Ann Morris hm. Ok. Shannigans. 00:12:13.685 - 00:12:16.183 Deborah Robinson Did--are those the same Shannigans that came to Kodiak? 00:12:16.985 - 00:12:20.094 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:12:20.280 - 00:12:20.960 Mary Ann Morris They're, well there's two. One's from uh Chignik, 00:12:20.960 - 00:12:24.420 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:12:24.401 - 00:12:25.115 Mary Ann Morris and they spell their name-- 00:12:24.420 - 00:12:26.621 Deborah Robinson ShannaGIN? 00:12:26.381 - 00:12:27.369 Mary Ann Morris Uh, A N I think. 00:12:27.433 - 00:12:29.088 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:12:28.862 - 00:12:29.712 Mary Ann Morris I have to look in a phonebook. 00:12:29.983 - 00:12:32.120 Mary Ann Morris But this is Nick, ok, and Sam. 00:12:32.120 - 00:12:34.969 Deborah Robinson So he's in uh Kodiak now still? 00:12:34.049 - 00:12:36.359 Mary Ann Morris Uh, mhm. Um, let me see. 00:12:36.482 - 00:12:40.052 Mary Ann Morris Um, I have to come back to that name. 00:12:40.850 - 00:12:45.100 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:12:45.134 - 00:12:45.984 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Gregory--ok. 00:12:46.287 - 00:12:50.079 Mary Ann Morris Gregory, ok. 00:12:52.626 - 00:12:54.143 Deborah Robinson Takik? 00:12:54.183 - 00:12:55.523 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Now there's a Gregory, 00:12:54.889 - 00:12:58.452 Mary Ann Morris that was uh married to um, 00:12:58.452 - 00:13:02.447 Mary Ann Morris uh, the Zharoff, 00:13:02.530 - 00:13:04.739 Deborah Robinson Oh. 00:13:04.450 - 00:13:05.486 Mary Ann Morris um, daughter. 00:13:05.623 - 00:13:07.143 Deborah Robinson Would that be Fred's sister? 00:13:07.233 - 00:13:09.283 Mary Ann Morris Yes, uh-huh. 00:13:09.322 - 00:13:10.265 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:13:10.561 - 00:13:11.221 Mary Ann Morris Gregory. And he, 00:13:11.950 - 00:13:14.558 Mary Ann Morris I don't if it's--this, if this is the same. 00:13:14.558 - 00:13:18.332 Deborah Robinson Well, one thing to keep in mind is a lot of the spellings on the census are, 00:13:18.375 - 00:13:22.608 Deborah Robinson you know, they're just done by the teacher, or someone who was there and didn't really know people, so, 00:13:22.608 - 00:13:27.201 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:13:26.350 - 00:13:27.170 Mary Ann Morris And now he's born--or buried here, so-- 00:13:27.170 - 00:13:30.560 Deborah Robinson Mhm? Gregory Takik? 00:13:30.540 - 00:13:32.511 Mary Ann Morris Um, well there's a Gregory. 00:13:32.449 - 00:13:34.940 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:13:34.979 - 00:13:35.710 Mary Ann Morris But I'm not too--too sure if that's the, the spelling. 00:13:35.550 - 00:13:38.890 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:13:38.010 - 00:13:38.730 Deborah Robinson Do you know-- 00:13:38.820 - 00:13:41.970 Mary Ann Morris Like, or not the spelling, but the last name. 00:13:38.890 - 00:13:41.195 Mary Ann Morris Andrew. Huh. 00:13:41.969 - 00:13:45.070 Deborah Robinson Nigoslov. 00:13:45.183 - 00:13:46.731 Mary Ann Morris Sheravoloff, Mike. Huh. 00:13:45.858 - 00:13:48.840 Mary Ann Morris Now there's a Andrew--now do they tell, 00:13:48.840 - 00:13:52.001 Mary Ann Morris Sakoff. Oh, wow. There's my dad, there's my mother. 00:13:52.001 - 00:13:56.660 Deborah Robinson Now, 00:13:57.740 - 00:13:59.420 Mary Ann Morris With this--I think this is supposed to be a E. I've seen it with a E, and then a I E. 00:13:59.723 - 00:14:07.173 Deborah Robinson So was it Yev- originally Yeveno, or was it Jeveno, or was it something else? 00:14:07.920 - 00:14:13.290 Mary Ann Morris No. No, this is--this is my father. 00:14:11.326 - 00:14:14.112 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:14:14.084 - 00:14:14.902 Mary Ann Morris And this is my mother here. 00:14:14.602 - 00:14:16.365 Deborah Robinson Ok and so his name was Frank-- 00:14:16.003 - 00:14:18.490 Mary Ann Morris Yagie. 00:14:18.140 - 00:14:19.077 Deborah Robinson Yagie. Ok. 00:14:18.880 - 00:14:20.694 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:14:19.390 - 00:14:20.060 Deborah Robinson And then um, Pauline married Gus later. 00:14:21.077 - 00:14:23.650 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:14:23.650 - 00:14:24.160 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:14:24.205 - 00:14:24.952 Mary Ann Morris Yeah, she-- 00:14:24.240 - 00:14:25.711 Deborah Robinson So and he just went--he lived there for a year though in Kanatak? 00:14:25.180 - 00:14:29.140 Mary Ann Morris Um, 00:14:28.113 - 00:14:30.067 Mary Ann Morris yeah. He, I think we went back twice, and that was just for, 00:14:30.067 - 00:14:34.957 Mary Ann Morris oh yeah. He would be, um, I remember a winter, 00:14:34.957 - 00:14:39.518 Mary Ann Morris and then during the summer. 00:14:39.518 - 00:14:42.253 Deborah Robinson Mhm. Ok. 00:14:42.253 - 00:14:43.734 Mary Ann Morris Um, there's Alina, 00:14:49.668 - 00:14:53.898 Mary Ann Morris that's um, my mother's sister. 00:14:53.898 - 00:14:56.693 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:14:56.915 - 00:14:57.853 Mary Ann Morris But her name was Preston. 00:14:57.560 - 00:14:59.449 Mary Ann Morris Her married name was Preston. 00:14:59.670 - 00:15:01.870 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:15:01.680 - 00:15:02.500 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:15:05.985 - 00:15:08.050 Deborah Robinson This was pretty big village from uh, ((laughs)) from this whole list. 00:15:08.887 - 00:15:13.622 Mary Ann Morris And the storekeeper, I think this is the storekeeper, 00:15:14.052 - 00:15:17.584 Deborah Robinson Hilmer Evans. 00:15:16.495 - 00:15:17.539 Mary Ann Morris uh-huh. 00:15:17.625 - 00:15:18.506 Mary Ann Morris Mama, do you remember the Evans? 00:15:20.270 - 00:15:23.431 Pauline Huh? 00:15:23.300 - 00:15:24.300 Mary Ann Morris Mrs. Evans? 00:15:24.230 - 00:15:25.910 Pauline Who? 00:15:26.090 - 00:15:27.180 Mary Ann Morris Mrs. Evans. 00:15:27.329 - 00:15:28.985 Pauline Oh yeah. 00:15:29.103 - 00:15:30.567 Pauline From Kanatak? 00:15:30.634 - 00:15:32.240 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:15:31.921 - 00:15:32.759 Pauline Yeah. They died? No. 00:15:32.893 - 00:15:35.020 Mary Ann Morris Store? 00:15:33.310 - 00:15:34.100 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:15:34.901 - 00:15:35.630 Pauline Outside. 00:15:35.491 - 00:15:36.440 Mary Ann Morris Oh, they went. Ok. They, they must have-- 00:15:36.384 - 00:15:39.120 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:15:39.120 - 00:15:39.950 Deborah Robinson Ok so they moved outside? 00:15:39.217 - 00:15:40.884 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Ok. 00:15:40.710 - 00:15:42.150 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:15:42.223 - 00:15:42.859 Mary Ann Morris And they were um, 00:15:42.754 - 00:15:44.962 Mary Ann Morris s- storekeeper. 00:15:45.763 - 00:15:47.723 Deborah Robinson Hilmer and Lena? 00:15:47.767 - 00:15:48.709 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:15:48.667 - 00:15:49.593 Deborah Robinson The Evans, ok. 00:15:49.352 - 00:15:50.445 Mary Ann Morris I've never known--all I know is Mrs. Evans. 00:15:50.822 - 00:15:54.541 Mary Ann Morris That's all she referred her to her as, Mrs. Evans. 00:15:54.541 - 00:15:58.580 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. All right. 00:15:56.053 - 00:15:58.580 Mary Ann Morris Ok, Jack Lee, that's him. 00:15:58.580 - 00:16:01.558 Deborah Robinson Jack Lee. Is he here in Kodiak? 00:16:01.876 - 00:16:03.716 Mary Ann Morris Mm-mm. No. He's passed on. 00:16:02.830 - 00:16:04.801 Deborah Robinson He's passed on? 00:16:04.450 - 00:16:05.400 Mary Ann Morris He came to Kodiak and lived here for a while, and then he went to, um, the Pioneer Home. 00:16:05.237 - 00:16:12.840 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:16:07.030 - 00:16:07.840 Deborah Robinson In Sitka? 00:16:12.840 - 00:16:14.114 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:16:13.091 - 00:16:13.727 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:16:13.731 - 00:16:15.990 Mary Ann Morris That is neat. 00:16:16.208 - 00:16:17.743 Deborah Robinson Now you mentioned someone was Preston before? 00:16:22.690 - 00:16:24.876 Mary Ann Morris Oh, ## 00:16:23.168 - 00:16:24.835 Mary Ann Morris This, this is her husband. 00:16:24.835 - 00:16:26.881 Deborah Robinson So is this who--uh, 00:16:24.876 - 00:16:26.950 Deborah Robinson that was Lena? Ok. 00:16:26.950 - 00:16:28.840 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. Yeah. 00:16:27.673 - 00:16:29.153 Deborah Robinson So she married Fred Preston? 00:16:28.970 - 00:16:30.350 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Fred Preston. 00:16:29.630 - 00:16:32.122 Mary Ann Morris ### 00:16:33.333 - 00:16:35.910 Mary Ann Morris Hm. 00:16:36.602 - 00:16:37.508 Mary Ann Morris This is so neat. 00:16:37.976 - 00:16:39.647 Deborah Robinson Now some of the censuses weren't done this way, but it seems that these are fairly separated, 00:16:41.498 - 00:16:46.483 Deborah Robinson between the white people and the Natives. 00:16:46.483 - 00:16:49.310 Deborah Robinson And I'm wondering if uh, if they even separated families, which doesn't really make sense, but-- 00:16:49.310 - 00:16:53.872 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh? 00:16:53.460 - 00:16:54.520 Deborah Robinson It looks like they may have done that. 00:16:54.016 - 00:16:56.749 Deborah Robinson So that would make it more confusing if that's the way they did it. 00:16:56.749 - 00:17:00.385 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? Mhm? 00:16:59.230 - 00:17:01.408 Mary Ann Morris Yeah, these ones I don't--um, 00:17:01.588 - 00:17:05.670 Deborah Robinson Harold, Jenson, Louis, 00:17:05.670 - 00:17:08.785 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:17:06.733 - 00:17:07.495 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:17:08.040 - 00:17:08.870 Deborah Robinson Argarilia. 00:17:10.046 - 00:17:11.919 Deborah Robinson Golly um, one thing I'm kind of curious about, with the--with so many white people in the village, if you have any idea, 00:17:11.919 - 00:17:19.170 Deborah Robinson or your mother, how many of these people came just because of the oil company, 00:17:19.170 - 00:17:23.510 Deborah Robinson and after the oil company pulled out, you know that process of them leaving it. 00:17:23.510 - 00:17:27.895 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. I can tell you, um, 00:17:27.895 - 00:17:30.500 Mary Ann Morris just going through this list, 00:17:30.500 - 00:17:33.592 Mary Ann Morris of the Amookses were here, Dan and Lucy, 00:17:33.756 - 00:17:37.964 Mary Ann Morris and their children, 00:17:37.964 - 00:17:39.068 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:17:39.068 - 00:17:40.018 Mary Ann Morris uh, Boskof--Boskofskys, 00:17:40.087 - 00:17:43.933 Mary Ann Morris they were, they were there. 00:17:43.960 - 00:17:45.984 Mary Ann Morris The Chernikoffs, I'm not-- 00:17:45.984 - 00:17:48.450 Deborah Robinson Now you're talking about, they were there during the oil company, or they worked-- 00:17:48.450 - 00:17:51.620 Mary Ann Morris No. This is, um, well after, 00:17:51.521 - 00:17:55.403 Mary Ann Morris uh, like when I was about 3 or 4. 00:17:55.403 - 00:17:57.620 Mary Ann Morris I can, you know, remember, 00:17:57.620 - 00:17:59.868 Mary Ann Morris some of the people who were, who were there. 00:18:00.027 - 00:18:03.289 Deborah Robinson Mhm. Ok, they were still there. All right. 00:18:02.019 - 00:18:04.200 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Boskofskys, 00:18:03.572 - 00:18:06.220 Mary Ann Morris was um--if you want to write this down, 00:18:06.222 - 00:18:09.686 Deborah Robinson Yeah, they got the tape going, so ### 00:18:11.746 - 00:18:14.109 Mary Ann Morris Oh ok. 00:18:13.355 - 00:18:14.385 Mary Ann Morris Uh Pete and uh, we call her Dolly, 00:18:14.385 - 00:18:18.602 Deborah Robinson Dolly? Ok. 00:18:18.387 - 00:18:19.451 Mary Ann Morris They were uh postmasters. Or he was a postmaster. 00:18:19.101 - 00:18:24.740 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:18:24.740 - 00:18:26.014 Mary Ann Morris Ok. And their children-- 00:18:25.530 - 00:18:28.220 Deborah Robinson Hm, so there might be some records with their names on it. 00:18:27.510 - 00:18:30.379 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Mhm. 00:18:29.636 - 00:18:30.762 Mary Ann Morris And Chernikoffs, ok--Onesima is married to Sarah, 00:18:31.628 - 00:18:38.710 Mary Ann Morris I'm not too sure about Fred. # Fred. 00:18:38.710 - 00:18:44.507 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:18:50.978 - 00:18:52.459 Mary Ann Morris Uh, Nikolai, 00:18:53.105 - 00:18:55.830 Mary Ann Morris and Tootsie, 00:18:55.930 - 00:18:58.530 Mary Ann Morris um, ##-- 00:18:59.893 - 00:19:02.946 Deborah Robinson So those are your grandparents? 00:19:01.920 - 00:19:03.743 Mary Ann Morris Mm, grandparents, uh-huh. 00:19:03.370 - 00:19:04.736 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:19:04.393 - 00:19:05.273 Mary Ann Morris And he was um, he fished, 00:19:05.111 - 00:19:09.650 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:19:09.541 - 00:19:10.215 Mary Ann Morris and he was a hunter, 00:19:09.786 - 00:19:12.134 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:19:11.518 - 00:19:12.415 Mary Ann Morris ok, whatev--you know, whatever they needed to do, 00:19:12.277 - 00:19:15.590 Mary Ann Morris for um provisions, you know. 00:19:15.590 - 00:19:19.211 Deborah Robinson Mhm. 00:19:15.781 - 00:19:16.402 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:19:18.810 - 00:19:19.610 Mary Ann Morris For their family. 00:19:19.262 - 00:19:20.315 Deborah Robinson So was it mostly caribou hunting around there? Did they-- 00:19:20.063 - 00:19:23.190 Deborah Robinson do you know if they did much uh, seal hunting or anything like that? 00:19:23.190 - 00:19:26.174 Mary Ann Morris Oh ye--mhm. Yes. Mhm. 00:19:25.237 - 00:19:27.470 Deborah Robinson All those things? 00:19:26.610 - 00:19:27.690 Mary Ann Morris All those things. 00:19:27.556 - 00:19:28.576 Deborah Robinson Whatever they could get probably? 00:19:28.570 - 00:19:30.010 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Right. Uh-huh. 00:19:29.463 - 00:19:31.025 Mary Ann Morris There was, you know, the ducks, 00:19:31.025 - 00:19:33.084 Mary Ann Morris um, ## ask my mom. 00:19:33.164 - 00:19:37.428 Mary Ann Morris Mama, did they have caribou or moose? 00:19:37.576 - 00:19:41.120 Pauline Who? 00:19:41.120 - 00:19:42.036 Mary Ann Morris In Kanatak? 00:19:41.760 - 00:19:42.939 Mary Ann Morris Moose? 00:19:44.280 - 00:19:45.410 Pauline Who? # 00:19:45.410 - 00:19:46.712 Mary Ann Morris No. Did they have moose? 00:19:46.810 - 00:19:49.683 Pauline Huh? 00:19:49.754 - 00:19:50.553 Mary Ann Morris Moose? 00:19:50.494 - 00:19:51.620 Mary Ann Morris You know, moose? 00:19:51.663 - 00:19:52.914 Mary Ann Morris Or um, 00:19:53.716 - 00:19:55.252 Pauline Oh. ((laughs)) ## 00:19:54.886 - 00:19:57.840 Mary Ann Morris Moo- moose? Or caribou? 00:19:57.840 - 00:20:00.330 Deborah Robinson Uh, 00:19:58.763 - 00:19:59.958 Pauline Oh, #. 00:19:59.662 - 00:20:01.628 Mary Ann Morris Car- caribou? 00:20:01.029 - 00:20:02.717 Deborah Robinson Or was it like uh, 00:20:01.590 - 00:20:02.741 Pauline Yeah. Big. ((laughs)) 00:20:02.210 - 00:20:03.487 Mary Ann Morris Oh. 00:20:03.161 - 00:20:04.332 Mary Ann Morris Well--moose? 00:20:04.659 - 00:20:06.304 Pauline ## 00:20:05.831 - 00:20:07.098 Mary Ann Morris Oh, #? 00:20:06.990 - 00:20:08.181 Mary Ann Morris Was it caribou or moose? 00:20:08.392 - 00:20:11.319 Mary Ann Morris Caribou or moose? 00:20:11.319 - 00:20:14.034 Pauline Yeah. 00:20:12.945 - 00:20:13.928 Mary Ann Morris Yeah? Ok. 00:20:14.034 - 00:20:14.673 Deborah Robinson Probably both. ((laughs)) 00:20:14.870 - 00:20:17.410 Mary Ann Morris I don't know. 00:20:16.933 - 00:20:18.223 Mary Ann Morris I know she--she, they would go, um, 00:20:18.223 - 00:20:22.548 Mary Ann Morris to their fish camp, too, in Osharov. 00:20:22.548 - 00:20:27.218 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:20:27.192 - 00:20:27.827 Mary Ann Morris Yeah, and they--there they had moose. 00:20:27.972 - 00:20:30.260 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:20:30.220 - 00:20:30.990 Deborah Robinson Now was that um, they went up to--did they go up to the lake? 00:20:32.048 - 00:20:36.605 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:20:36.649 - 00:20:37.325 Deborah Robinson To put up fish? 00:20:37.069 - 00:20:38.031 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:20:37.325 - 00:20:38.347 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:20:38.849 - 00:20:39.632 Mary Ann Morris I think like more, more or less during the summer. 00:20:40.205 - 00:20:43.879 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:20:43.674 - 00:20:44.307 Mary Ann Morris You know, when they started going up. 00:20:43.879 - 00:20:46.342 Deborah Robinson Mm. 00:20:45.304 - 00:20:46.024 Mary Ann Morris That is so neat. 00:20:49.202 - 00:20:51.465 Mary Ann Morris I, I--I've never seen these names. 00:20:51.525 - 00:20:53.840 Mary Ann Morris I, I've heard of Evelyn, but I've never heard these names. 00:20:53.840 - 00:20:58.565 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:20:57.941 - 00:20:58.658 Deborah Robinson All the kids. 00:20:58.659 - 00:20:59.446 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. The grand--our-- 00:20:59.483 - 00:21:01.080 Deborah Robinson It would be your cousins? 00:21:01.410 - 00:21:02.530 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:21:02.599 - 00:21:03.902 Mary Ann Morris And, 00:21:04.031 - 00:21:08.913 Mary Ann Morris Cosbrook, I've heard this name, 00:21:08.937 - 00:21:10.747 Mary Ann Morris those names I'm not familiar with, 00:21:12.194 - 00:21:16.064 Mary Ann Morris and she would talk a lot about the um, 00:21:16.064 - 00:21:21.173 Mary Ann Morris Nikolai. 00:21:21.173 - 00:21:21.986 Deborah Robinson Nikolai Roof, the chief there? 00:21:21.986 - 00:21:23.840 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:21:23.840 - 00:21:24.860 Deborah Robinson Ok. Yeah, that's uh, the kind of thing that we're really interested in--in seeing how, 00:21:24.890 - 00:21:31.130 Deborah Robinson um, how that sort of thing changed over time. 00:21:31.130 - 00:21:34.784 Deborah Robinson You know, um, a lot of the villages after a certain period, 00:21:34.875 - 00:21:38.498 Deborah Robinson um, things were just starting to change and they didn't have a chief and the chief didn't have much power, so, 00:21:38.498 - 00:21:43.420 Deborah Robinson it would be interesting to hear, um, what kind of role the chief had in the village, and, 00:21:43.420 - 00:21:47.923 Mary Ann Morris I know that they were religious. 00:21:48.065 - 00:21:53.680 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:21:53.345 - 00:21:54.125 Deborah Robinson Do you know what--was there a church that you remember? 00:21:54.125 - 00:21:56.921 Mary Ann Morris Russian. Russian, mhm. 00:21:55.075 - 00:21:56.745 Mary Ann Morris A Russian Orthodox church. 00:21:56.909 - 00:21:58.619 Deborah Robinson Mhm? And that was the only church there? 00:21:58.764 - 00:22:00.233 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:21:59.784 - 00:22:00.634 Mary Ann Morris Mama? 00:22:05.600 - 00:22:06.390 Pauline Huh? 00:22:06.280 - 00:22:06.750 Mary Ann Morris You remember Nikolai Roof? 00:22:06.790 - 00:22:09.490 Pauline Who? 00:22:09.646 - 00:22:10.131 Mary Ann Morris Nikolai Roof. 00:22:09.967 - 00:22:11.451 Pauline Nikolai #? 00:22:12.540 - 00:22:14.493 Mary Ann Morris Chief. 00:22:15.437 - 00:22:16.260 Pauline Huh? 00:22:16.288 - 00:22:16.911 Mary Ann Morris The chief. 00:22:16.926 - 00:22:17.878 Pauline Chief. 00:22:18.699 - 00:22:19.582 Mary Ann Morris Chief. 00:22:19.621 - 00:22:20.282 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:22:21.958 - 00:22:22.876 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:22:22.881 - 00:22:23.494 Mary Ann Morris And #####. 00:22:24.513 - 00:22:27.007 Mary Ann Morris Oh and there's also, uh, 00:22:28.017 - 00:22:30.751 Mary Ann Morris a Rostofstov. 00:22:31.787 - 00:22:35.200 Deborah Robinson Rostofstov? 00:22:35.248 - 00:22:36.096 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, Nick Rostofstov. 00:22:35.800 - 00:22:37.940 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:22:37.987 - 00:22:38.510 Deborah Robinson Now is he still in Kodiak, or was he? He's passed on? 00:22:38.510 - 00:22:41.403 Mary Ann Morris And Barbara. 00:22:38.563 - 00:22:39.640 Mary Ann Morris No, 00:22:40.022 - 00:22:40.633 Mary Ann Morris he's passed on. 00:22:41.140 - 00:22:41.830 Deborah Robinson Yeah, someone else mentioned that name as someone who had come to Kodiak. 00:22:42.757 - 00:22:45.560 Mary Ann Morris Oh really? Huh, wow, ok. 00:22:43.845 - 00:22:47.391 Mary Ann Morris And um, the--she came to Kodiak, 00:22:47.467 - 00:22:52.401 Mary Ann Morris and I think she-- 00:22:52.401 - 00:22:53.780 Deborah Robinson Lucy Amook? 00:22:52.852 - 00:22:53.842 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:22:53.780 - 00:22:54.570 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:22:53.906 - 00:22:54.531 Mary Ann Morris And she um, I think became ill and had to go to Anchorage. 00:22:54.675 - 00:22:59.737 Mary Ann Morris And I think that's where she passed away. 00:22:59.737 - 00:23:02.641 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:23:02.619 - 00:23:03.240 Mary Ann Morris And he died here I think, her son. 00:23:03.709 - 00:23:07.450 Deborah Robinson Roof Amook. 00:23:06.870 - 00:23:08.035 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:23:07.450 - 00:23:08.559 Deborah Robinson Now that's interesting that that was the same first name as that chief's last name. 00:23:08.167 - 00:23:13.485 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Mhm. 00:23:12.242 - 00:23:13.331 Deborah Robinson I wonder if that was taken from-- 00:23:13.494 - 00:23:15.820 Mary Ann Morris Let's see, how old was he. Twelve, 00:23:14.694 - 00:23:16.670 Deborah Robinson He was twelve. 00:23:16.670 - 00:23:17.841 Deborah Robinson He could have been named after their last name. 00:23:17.867 - 00:23:20.379 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, yeah. 00:23:18.770 - 00:23:20.120 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:23:20.841 - 00:23:21.648 Mary Ann Morris Barbara, ok. 00:23:24.007 - 00:23:25.444 Mary Ann Morris And uh, 00:23:27.520 - 00:23:28.884 Mary Ann Morris Barbara and Nick Rostofstov, 00:23:28.884 - 00:23:31.625 Mary Ann Morris they would come and visit here in Kodiak. 00:23:31.625 - 00:23:34.934 Deborah Robinson Ok. And they eventually moved here to Kodiak? 00:23:34.949 - 00:23:37.512 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Yeah. 00:23:37.772 - 00:23:38.791 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:23:38.504 - 00:23:39.784 Mary Ann Morris Ok. And they have a daughter, ok, Barbara... 00:23:40.031 - 00:23:43.581 Deborah Robinson Barbara Roof? 00:23:43.570 - 00:23:44.372 Mary Ann Morris Oh. No. This--that's somebody else. 00:23:44.372 - 00:23:47.658 Deborah Robinson But you don't recall, um, let's see... 00:23:48.135 - 00:23:53.110 Mary Ann Morris She does--she talks about a lot of them. 00:23:53.103 - 00:23:56.079 Deborah Robinson But you don't know if uh, if he survived long enough to move somewhere else, or if he just stayed in Kanatak? 00:23:55.285 - 00:24:01.852 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:24:01.245 - 00:24:02.149 Mary Ann Morris Uh, let me--let me write that down. 00:24:02.435 - 00:24:05.819 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:24:05.550 - 00:24:06.473 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:24:06.929 - 00:24:07.725 Mary Ann Morris Is it I? A I? 00:24:17.831 - 00:24:19.932 Mary Ann Morris A I? 00:24:20.208 - 00:24:21.498 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:24:21.459 - 00:24:22.485 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:24:22.230 - 00:24:23.330 Mary Ann Morris ###, ok. 00:24:25.286 - 00:24:27.267 Deborah Robinson Yeah, Nikolai and Maria Roof. 00:24:27.970 - 00:24:30.201 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:24:40.612 - 00:24:41.939 Mary Ann Morris My--and my father, um, had a friend by the name of Sam. 00:24:46.895 - 00:24:55.029 Mary Ann Morris But I don't know if this is that-- 00:24:55.029 - 00:24:57.159 Deborah Robinson So that could have been Sam Shangan but you're not sure? 00:24:56.253 - 00:24:58.950 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, uh-huh. 00:24:57.860 - 00:24:59.840 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:24:59.090 - 00:25:00.380 Mary Ann Morris Ok, Nick. 00:25:00.490 - 00:25:03.050 Deborah Robinson You have pretty good memory from the time you were a little kid, huh? ((laughs)) 00:25:01.958 - 00:25:05.670 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:25:04.460 - 00:25:05.360 Mary Ann Morris Yes. 00:25:05.581 - 00:25:06.896 Mary Ann Morris And uh, Nick--I met Nick here in Kodiak. I don't ever remember him. 00:25:06.988 - 00:25:14.288 Deborah Robinson From Kanatak? 00:25:14.288 - 00:25:15.990 Mary Ann Morris In Kanatak. 00:25:15.135 - 00:25:16.272 Mary Ann Morris And also Sam. 00:25:16.350 - 00:25:18.344 Deborah Robinson Ok, but he would have been--he would have been younger, 00:25:18.560 - 00:25:20.567 Deborah Robinson Nick Shangan would have been younger than your dad, but still, 00:25:20.567 - 00:25:23.220 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:25:22.800 - 00:25:23.900 Deborah Robinson um, 00:25:23.220 - 00:25:25.337 Mary Ann Morris Yes. Um, 00:25:23.900 - 00:25:26.160 Deborah Robinson huh. 00:25:26.211 - 00:25:27.150 Mary Ann Morris I'll have to ask the lady. 00:25:27.311 - 00:25:30.680 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:25:31.975 - 00:25:33.338 Mary Ann Morris Sam, if this is the same Sam, 00:25:34.364 - 00:25:38.375 Mary Ann Morris ok, what--what does it give for my father? 00:25:38.749 - 00:25:43.200 Deborah Robinson He was 36. 00:25:45.860 - 00:25:48.630 Mary Ann Morris Ok, 6, ok. 00:25:46.357 - 00:25:48.965 Deborah Robinson So that would have been pretty close in age. 00:25:48.630 - 00:25:50.901 Mary Ann Morris Yes, uh-huh. 00:25:49.827 - 00:25:51.640 Mary Ann Morris Um, Sa--if that's the Sam, 00:25:51.717 - 00:25:55.753 Mary Ann Morris and my father Frank, 00:25:55.753 - 00:25:58.443 Mary Ann Morris they were drowned in Chignik. 00:25:58.443 - 00:26:00.780 Mary Ann Morris Either Chignik Lagoon or Bay. 00:26:00.780 - 00:26:05.385 Mary Ann Morris 'Cause they, they were doing longshoring, or, 00:26:05.385 - 00:26:08.153 Deborah Robinson In ## Bay. 00:26:05.515 - 00:26:06.822 Mary Ann Morris you know, they had to meet--they had to take a boat, a small boat to go and get freight. 00:26:08.186 - 00:26:14.600 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:26:08.195 - 00:26:09.364 Deborah Robinson And they drowned? 00:26:14.520 - 00:26:15.470 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. And there was the eight of them, yeah. 00:26:15.040 - 00:26:17.723 Deborah Robinson That flipped over or something? 00:26:15.490 - 00:26:17.250 Deborah Robinson Wow. 00:26:17.250 - 00:26:18.236 Mary Ann Morris In Chignik. 00:26:17.723 - 00:26:19.046 Deborah Robinson Now were they all from Kanatak? Or he was down in Chignik at the time? 00:26:19.062 - 00:26:22.418 Mary Ann Morris He was--yeah. Him and Frank were, mhm. 00:26:21.485 - 00:26:24.780 Deborah Robinson Were the ones from Kanatak? Ok. 00:26:23.572 - 00:26:26.410 Deborah Robinson And was that when you were still living in Kanatak that that happened? 00:26:26.967 - 00:26:31.300 Mary Ann Morris Mm, we were living here in Kodiak. 00:26:30.770 - 00:26:36.058 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:26:35.987 - 00:26:36.798 Mary Ann Morris 'Cause it would, uh, be 1949. Yeah. 00:26:36.625 - 00:26:40.450 Deborah Robinson 1949 that happened? 00:26:39.200 - 00:26:40.837 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:26:40.837 - 00:26:41.663 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:26:43.581 - 00:26:45.467 Mary Ann Morris Seems like I've heard this name before. 00:26:45.489 - 00:26:48.351 Deborah Robinson Tak--now how would, how did you hear it? 00:26:48.457 - 00:26:50.514 Deborah Robinson Is it--how's it pronounced? 00:26:50.521 - 00:26:51.570 Mary Ann Morris Gregory. 00:26:50.619 - 00:26:52.324 Deborah Robinson Gregory? 00:26:51.570 - 00:26:52.130 Mary Ann Morris Takak-- 00:26:52.360 - 00:26:54.150 Deborah Robinson Takak? 00:26:53.200 - 00:26:54.380 Mary Ann Morris Takak. Uh-huh. 00:26:54.180 - 00:26:56.130 Mary Ann Morris And he's married to um, 00:26:59.034 - 00:27:03.361 Mary Ann Morris I remember that name. I know it's ##. 00:27:03.361 - 00:27:07.690 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:27:10.890 - 00:27:12.280 Mary Ann Morris Is there an- uh, any-- 00:27:15.781 - 00:27:17.580 Deborah Robinson Well maybe Fred, I wonder if Fred would know anything about that family. 00:27:17.580 - 00:27:22.488 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh? Uh-huh? Well, we were young. 00:27:20.817 - 00:27:23.970 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:27:23.990 - 00:27:24.930 Mary Ann Morris He, he might remember. 00:27:24.370 - 00:27:26.752 Deborah Robinson Mhm? Now did Zha--Zharovs didn't live in Kanatak, did they? 00:27:26.033 - 00:27:30.047 Mary Ann Morris Um, Dora did. 00:27:29.512 - 00:27:32.653 Deborah Robinson Now that--is that Fred's mother? 00:27:32.356 - 00:27:34.490 Mary Ann Morris Dora ###--no, Dora is his sister. 00:27:32.900 - 00:27:36.429 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:27:35.962 - 00:27:36.946 Mary Ann Morris Now I remember. 00:27:36.679 - 00:27:37.872 Deborah Robinson ((laughs)) Put you on the spot, and you'll remember. 00:27:37.454 - 00:27:40.623 Mary Ann Morris ## Ok. 00:27:39.247 - 00:27:41.620 Deborah Robinson So Dora Zharov married--you think married Gregory Takak? 00:27:40.741 - 00:27:44.889 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, yes. 00:27:44.199 - 00:27:45.800 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:27:45.368 - 00:27:46.675 Mary Ann Morris And um, this is, must be his other wife. 00:27:47.120 - 00:27:50.416 Deborah Robinson His first wife? 00:27:50.250 - 00:27:51.541 Mary Ann Morris Estefanita. 00:27:50.510 - 00:27:51.940 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:27:51.541 - 00:27:52.695 Mary Ann Morris Estefanita, ok. 00:27:52.470 - 00:27:54.620 Mary Ann Morris And Afoni. 00:27:54.681 - 00:27:56.668 Mary Ann Morris Oh my goodness. 00:27:56.668 - 00:27:58.447 Mary Ann Morris Afoni and, 00:27:58.821 - 00:28:01.328 Deborah Robinson He would have been a little closer to your age. 00:28:01.328 - 00:28:03.823 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Uh-huh? 00:28:02.270 - 00:28:05.155 Mary Ann Morris Um, I know Afoni, 00:28:05.704 - 00:28:09.060 Mary Ann Morris and, 00:28:09.060 - 00:28:09.930 Mary Ann Morris ok. 00:28:14.280 - 00:28:15.716 Mary Ann Morris Um, Lucy, 00:28:16.247 - 00:28:18.333 Mary Ann Morris and-- 00:28:18.859 - 00:28:20.150 Deborah Robinson Lucy Amook? 00:28:19.310 - 00:28:20.588 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, 00:28:20.150 - 00:28:21.090 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:28:20.590 - 00:28:21.690 Mary Ann Morris took care of Afoni and Jojo. 00:28:21.569 - 00:28:25.710 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:28:25.460 - 00:28:26.547 Mary Ann Morris Those are nicknames. 00:28:26.497 - 00:28:28.008 Deborah Robinson So I wonder if um, 00:28:26.547 - 00:28:29.995 Deborah Robinson if Gregory's first wife, E--Estefanita died at some point and, 00:28:30.055 - 00:28:34.499 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? 00:28:34.090 - 00:28:35.190 Deborah Robinson she must have died fairly young. 00:28:34.499 - 00:28:36.750 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? 00:28:36.050 - 00:28:36.960 Deborah Robinson Maybe in childbirth or something. 00:28:36.750 - 00:28:38.503 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? 00:28:37.940 - 00:28:39.000 Mary Ann Morris Oh, see, 00:28:39.457 - 00:28:40.599 Deborah Robinson #### 00:28:41.086 - 00:28:42.487 Mary Ann Morris uh, 00:28:41.168 - 00:28:42.350 Mary Ann Morris ok. 00:28:42.370 - 00:28:43.420 Mary Ann Morris and then Afoni, 00:28:43.909 - 00:28:45.518 Mary Ann Morris and there's a, another, uh, a Jojo. 00:28:45.662 - 00:28:49.070 Mary Ann Morris But I'm not sure of his name. 00:28:49.070 - 00:28:50.870 Deborah Robinson Could have been born a little bit later maybe? 00:28:50.480 - 00:28:52.346 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. He, he is the younger of them. 00:28:51.720 - 00:28:54.810 Deborah Robinson Of Afoni and Fidakista's brother? 00:28:54.766 - 00:28:58.030 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:28:57.330 - 00:28:58.290 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:28:58.030 - 00:28:58.820 Mary Ann Morris And Andrew-- 00:28:59.871 - 00:29:01.375 Deborah Robinson Now this fam--you think uh, 00:29:00.684 - 00:29:03.240 Deborah Robinson Gregory Takak would have to moved to Kodiak? 00:29:03.240 - 00:29:06.575 Mary Ann Morris Ok, yes. 00:29:06.570 - 00:29:08.310 Deborah Robinson Any idea when they left? 00:29:07.000 - 00:29:09.011 Mary Ann Morris Um, it would have to be, 00:29:09.245 - 00:29:13.631 Mary Ann Morris let's say late 40s. 00:29:13.631 - 00:29:17.020 Deborah Robinson Late 40s? 00:29:17.030 - 00:29:18.100 Mary Ann Morris Or um, early 50s. 00:29:17.740 - 00:29:20.564 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:29:20.764 - 00:29:21.629 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:29:21.843 - 00:29:22.766 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:29:22.770 - 00:29:23.662 Mary Ann Morris 'Cause he's buried here. 00:29:23.333 - 00:29:25.146 Deborah Robinson Hm. Ok. 00:29:25.003 - 00:29:26.870 Mary Ann Morris What you can find, 00:29:26.890 - 00:29:29.140 Mary Ann Morris uh, are you able to get access to records of, when a pers- a person died? 00:29:29.155 - 00:29:35.080 Deborah Robinson Of the church? 00:29:33.000 - 00:29:34.080 Mary Ann Morris No, 00:29:35.100 - 00:29:35.768 Mary Ann Morris um, the cemetary? 00:29:35.768 - 00:29:38.445 Deborah Robinson Possibly. I think the church keeps those records. 00:29:38.828 - 00:29:41.358 Mary Ann Morris Oh really? 00:29:41.040 - 00:29:41.920 Deborah Robinson I know Father Joseph is out of town. I'm going to get together with him when he comes back. 00:29:41.558 - 00:29:45.473 Mary Ann Morris Ok, ok. 00:29:44.400 - 00:29:45.920 Deborah Robinson So he'll know some of those things. 00:29:45.810 - 00:29:47.709 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:29:46.937 - 00:29:48.039 Mary Ann Morris And there's an, also Andrew, um, 00:29:48.130 - 00:29:51.601 Mary Ann Morris a church--I don't know whether he was a priest or what. 00:29:51.601 - 00:29:55.950 Deborah Robinson Could he have been a reader or something like that? 00:29:55.978 - 00:29:57.656 Deborah Robinson Well, he was--oh golly, he was pretty--he was 68 in 1939. 00:29:57.723 - 00:30:01.960 Mary Ann Morris Um, 00:29:58.840 - 00:29:59.949 Mary Ann Morris mhm. 00:30:01.950 - 00:30:02.840 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:30:03.838 - 00:30:04.951 Mary Ann Morris Ok, 00:30:05.946 - 00:30:07.113 Deborah Robinson But you think he had some position in the church, whether it was reader or um, starista or something like that? 00:30:06.560 - 00:30:13.010 Mary Ann Morris Oh yes. 00:30:08.710 - 00:30:09.876 Mary Ann Morris He, he's from the--the church. 00:30:12.680 - 00:30:14.790 Mary Ann Morris The church sent him to Kanatak. 00:30:14.790 - 00:30:17.755 Deborah Robinson Oh ok, so he was probably a priest. 00:30:16.643 - 00:30:18.844 Mary Ann Morris Ok. That, the church sent him there. 00:30:18.584 - 00:30:22.620 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:30:22.070 - 00:30:23.050 Mary Ann Morris Ok. So you--that, that-- 00:30:22.620 - 00:30:26.461 Deborah Robinson And you remember he was there when you were a little girl? 00:30:24.912 - 00:30:27.073 Mary Ann Morris Um, my mother always tells me of him. 00:30:26.948 - 00:30:30.507 Deborah Robinson Oh ok, ok. 00:30:29.390 - 00:30:30.970 Mary Ann Morris So, um-- 00:30:30.507 - 00:30:32.150 Deborah Robinson Andrew Yagoslov? 00:30:31.910 - 00:30:33.360 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:30:33.005 - 00:30:34.404 Mary Ann Morris Um, and you'll remember to ask um, 00:30:34.536 - 00:30:38.869 Deborah Robinson Ok. Ok, yeah. 00:30:38.869 - 00:30:41.605 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:30:41.605 - 00:30:42.540 Mary Ann Morris Oh my goodness. 00:30:48.994 - 00:30:50.417 Mary Ann Morris Now these two people, if I'm not mistaken, 00:30:50.448 - 00:30:54.237 Mary Ann Morris this is Marka, I think Marka, 00:30:54.237 - 00:30:57.849 Mary Ann Morris and Mary Zakoff. 00:30:57.863 - 00:31:00.350 Mary Ann Morris Jacob, ok. 00:31:01.663 - 00:31:03.068 Mary Ann Morris These people moved to Ouzinkie. 00:31:03.090 - 00:31:05.870 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:31:05.866 - 00:31:07.065 Mary Ann Morris Uh, very friends of my mother. 00:31:06.300 - 00:31:08.491 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:31:08.610 - 00:31:09.410 Mary Ann Morris So they were here in the early 50s. 00:31:09.005 - 00:31:13.518 Deborah Robinson Ok. In Ouzinkie? 00:31:13.586 - 00:31:16.168 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, yeah. 00:31:15.537 - 00:31:17.346 Deborah Robinson But they were pretty elderly at that time, so they probably, 00:31:17.024 - 00:31:20.182 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, yes. 00:31:18.747 - 00:31:19.630 Mary Ann Morris Yes, uh-huh. 00:31:19.630 - 00:31:20.547 Deborah Robinson lived out their lives in Ouzinkie. 00:31:20.182 - 00:31:21.803 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. Uh-huh. 00:31:20.547 - 00:31:22.104 Deborah Robinson Hm. 00:31:22.806 - 00:31:23.686 Mary Ann Morris How old was my, 00:31:23.029 - 00:31:27.037 Mary Ann Morris yes, 00:31:29.003 - 00:31:29.973 Mary Ann Morris hm. 00:31:30.833 - 00:31:32.097 Mary Ann Morris They were elderly too. 00:31:32.830 - 00:31:34.464 Deborah Robinson Yeah, your grandparents? 00:31:35.024 - 00:31:37.336 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:31:36.423 - 00:31:37.474 Mary Ann Morris Wow. 00:31:37.690 - 00:31:38.560 Mary Ann Morris That is so neat. 00:31:55.057 - 00:31:56.648 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:32:05.230 - 00:32:06.380 Mary Ann Morris Now these--I bet he might have come when the oil. 00:32:08.990 - 00:32:13.280 Deborah Robinson The Prestons? 00:32:12.883 - 00:32:14.930 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Pr--uh, Prestons. 00:32:13.894 - 00:32:15.853 Deborah Robinson Ok, those white people? 00:32:15.191 - 00:32:16.849 Deborah Robinson Yeah. And so you think they came to work in the oil? 00:32:16.849 - 00:32:20.090 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:32:16.860 - 00:32:17.700 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:32:20.079 - 00:32:20.930 Deborah Robinson Now, what do you remember as far as uh, what, 00:32:20.340 - 00:32:24.097 Deborah Robinson uh, when you were a little girl? 00:32:24.097 - 00:32:25.950 Deborah Robinson That um, that work that was going on in the village? 00:32:25.950 - 00:32:28.850 Deborah Robinson What do you remember about, about that oil work? 00:32:28.850 - 00:32:32.630 Mary Ann Morris Ok. I think they had gone by the time I-- 00:32:32.630 - 00:32:37.396 Deborah Robinson By the time you were a little girl? 00:32:37.416 - 00:32:39.030 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:32:39.053 - 00:32:39.893 Deborah Robinson So you don't real- you don't remember too many people working in that? 00:32:39.480 - 00:32:43.233 Mary Ann Morris All I can-- 00:32:40.536 - 00:32:41.606 Mary Ann Morris No. Uh-uh. Mm-mm. 00:32:41.606 - 00:32:43.570 Mary Ann Morris I don't. 00:32:43.570 - 00:32:44.555 Mary Ann Morris Um, the only people I know of, and I'll just go ahead and, as I'm going through the town, ok, 00:32:44.555 - 00:32:53.342 Deborah Robinson Sure. 00:32:52.090 - 00:32:53.190 Mary Ann Morris is um, the Boskofsky, Boskofsky family, 00:32:53.474 - 00:32:58.508 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:32:58.290 - 00:32:59.180 Mary Ann Morris ok, post, postmaster, 00:32:58.800 - 00:33:01.440 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:33:01.440 - 00:33:02.424 Mary Ann Morris ok, and then there would be, um, the Evanses' store, 00:33:01.959 - 00:33:07.320 Deborah Robinson The store? 00:33:06.520 - 00:33:07.740 Mary Ann Morris the store, but I didn't--I don't remember seeing the Evans inside. 00:33:07.320 - 00:33:11.590 Deborah Robinson Mhm. 00:33:08.050 - 00:33:08.960 Mary Ann Morris So I just remember because Mother tells me of, of uh, 00:33:11.590 - 00:33:16.398 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:33:12.760 - 00:33:13.940 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:33:15.082 - 00:33:15.988 Mary Ann Morris they owned a store. 00:33:16.398 - 00:33:18.050 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:33:17.994 - 00:33:18.846 Mary Ann Morris And they had a barn, and you know horse uh wagon, and horses. 00:33:18.050 - 00:33:23.610 Deborah Robinson You said a barn? Or a bar? Ok. 00:33:23.630 - 00:33:25.919 Mary Ann Morris Mhm, barn. Uh-huh. 00:33:24.450 - 00:33:26.439 Mary Ann Morris No, not bar. ((laughs)) Ok. 00:33:26.439 - 00:33:29.280 Deborah Robinson ((laughs)) 00:33:27.426 - 00:33:28.895 Mary Ann Morris And then my uh uncles, uh, 00:33:29.550 - 00:33:33.517 Mary Ann Morris Deacon and uh Jenny, 00:33:33.517 - 00:33:36.598 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:33:36.260 - 00:33:37.230 Mary Ann Morris uh, Kelnikoff. 00:33:36.598 - 00:33:39.312 Mary Ann Morris And then I think it would be, um, this Gregory, 00:33:39.349 - 00:33:46.541 Deborah Robinson Uh Takak? 00:33:46.670 - 00:33:48.260 Mary Ann Morris uh-huh, Takak. 00:33:47.380 - 00:33:49.710 Deborah Robinson And--now were they, um, 00:33:49.953 - 00:33:52.188 Deborah Robinson were these Native people that you're talking about, were they all fishermen and hunters? 00:33:52.188 - 00:33:56.067 Deborah Robinson Was it basically a subsistance lifestyle? 00:33:56.067 - 00:33:58.670 Mary Ann Morris Yes. Subsistence. 00:33:57.750 - 00:33:59.700 Deborah Robinson And did they just do trapping for cash income? Is that the only, 00:33:59.288 - 00:34:02.717 Deborah Robinson do you think--do you remember them doing any other kind of work? 00:34:02.717 - 00:34:05.742 Mary Ann Morris Mm, they-- 00:34:02.770 - 00:34:04.314 Mary Ann Morris Mother says that my father would, uh, 00:34:05.580 - 00:34:08.500 Mary Ann Morris something to do with fish--they had to save fish tails or something, 00:34:08.500 - 00:34:14.330 Mary Ann Morris that was part of a fish, and then they would, um, 00:34:14.330 - 00:34:18.668 Mary Ann Morris cash, cash in from that. 00:34:18.668 - 00:34:21.501 Deborah Robinson Oh, I wonder if that was some kind of a bounty or something. 00:34:20.621 - 00:34:23.513 Mary Ann Morris Could be. 00:34:22.630 - 00:34:23.728 Deborah Robinson I know at one point, I don't know if it was that long ago, they had a bounty on steelhead, 00:34:23.581 - 00:34:28.831 Mary Ann Morris Oh. How, how did they do that? 00:34:28.540 - 00:34:30.734 Deborah Robinson because they thought-- 00:34:28.831 - 00:34:30.603 Deborah Robinson Well, it could have been something like tails. 00:34:31.134 - 00:34:33.140 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Oh. 00:34:32.450 - 00:34:33.841 Deborah Robinson But I know that-- 00:34:33.140 - 00:34:34.230 Mary Ann Morris They had to save something. 00:34:33.841 - 00:34:36.443 Deborah Robinson There are certain times when they thought, like, there was a bounty on seals because they thought that seals ate a lot of salmon. 00:34:34.230 - 00:34:40.494 Mary Ann Morris Oh. 00:34:40.031 - 00:34:41.186 Deborah Robinson So, um, I think at one point, I don't know if it was that long ago, that they did have a bounty on steelheads. So it could have been something like that. 00:34:40.494 - 00:34:47.351 Mary Ann Morris Mhm? Mhm? 'Cause I remember her telling me. 00:34:45.893 - 00:34:49.900 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:34:49.630 - 00:34:50.640 Mary Ann Morris Having to save, 00:34:49.900 - 00:34:52.524 Mary Ann Morris and then they would get money for it. 00:34:52.524 - 00:34:55.092 Deborah Robinson Huh. It seems like, if they're saying they--saving a tail, that probably makes the only sense, that it would be something like that that they wouldn't actually have a use for. 00:34:55.159 - 00:35:03.307 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. They'd dry it, 00:35:00.680 - 00:35:03.060 Mary Ann Morris mhm. They'd dry it. 00:35:03.120 - 00:35:04.824 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:35:05.060 - 00:35:06.161 Mary Ann Morris And then, uh, 00:35:06.161 - 00:35:10.032 Mary Ann Morris there's--I could remember houses lined up. 00:35:10.600 - 00:35:14.460 Mary Ann Morris There's another family, a son, 00:35:17.979 - 00:35:20.057 Mary Ann Morris and then um, you go a little further and there's a Russian Orthodox church. 00:35:21.834 - 00:35:26.400 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:35:26.400 - 00:35:27.317 Mary Ann Morris And in back of that is a, like a lake. 00:35:26.533 - 00:35:30.765 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:35:30.861 - 00:35:31.798 Deborah Robinson Now were the houses set up along the beach, or--? 00:35:31.798 - 00:35:34.962 Mary Ann Morris No. 00:35:34.830 - 00:35:35.560 Deborah Robinson No? 00:35:35.353 - 00:35:36.123 Mary Ann Morris Uh, quite a bit uh, above the beach. 00:35:35.560 - 00:35:39.130 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:35:38.764 - 00:35:40.147 Mary Ann Morris Ok, and then I will go to uh, the next row of houses down from there, 00:35:40.916 - 00:35:48.170 Deborah Robinson Huh. 00:35:40.974 - 00:35:41.813 Mary Ann Morris would be, 00:35:48.170 - 00:35:49.280 Mary Ann Morris Mike Kelnikoff, 00:35:50.600 - 00:35:53.080 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:35:53.080 - 00:35:53.842 Mary Ann Morris lived right next to him, 00:35:53.592 - 00:35:55.597 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:35:55.600 - 00:35:56.460 Mary Ann Morris and--would be, there's a house, 00:35:55.895 - 00:35:59.283 Mary Ann Morris Mike Kelnikoff's, and then my parents' house. 00:35:59.759 - 00:36:04.730 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:36:04.417 - 00:36:05.917 Mary Ann Morris And um, then uh her sister, Sarah, 00:36:04.965 - 00:36:11.036 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:36:10.680 - 00:36:11.620 Mary Ann Morris and Anasima Chernikoff. 00:36:11.036 - 00:36:14.080 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:36:13.750 - 00:36:14.620 Mary Ann Morris And I think right next to there would be the chief. 00:36:14.255 - 00:36:17.824 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:36:17.837 - 00:36:18.674 Mary Ann Morris The chief's house. 00:36:17.869 - 00:36:19.330 Deborah Robinson Ok. Roof? Nikolai Roof? 00:36:19.556 - 00:36:22.530 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh, Nikolai Roof. 00:36:20.735 - 00:36:23.116 Mary Ann Morris And then, 00:36:23.116 - 00:36:24.364 Deborah Robinson Now, it sounds like you remember this clear enough you could probably draw a picture of it. 00:36:23.480 - 00:36:26.950 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:36:26.750 - 00:36:27.580 Deborah Robinson Would you do that for me? 00:36:27.412 - 00:36:28.718 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. I sure can. 00:36:28.020 - 00:36:29.632 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:36:29.611 - 00:36:30.442 Mary Ann Morris And I think-- 00:36:30.693 - 00:36:31.706 Deborah Robinson Actually, why don't you do it on your plain white paper? 00:36:30.888 - 00:36:33.630 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:36:32.350 - 00:36:33.360 Deborah Robinson It's better than the one I have, with lines. That would be great. 00:36:33.666 - 00:36:36.512 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:36:35.850 - 00:36:37.180 Mary Ann Morris You just want to go turn that off, or ##? 00:36:37.883 - 00:36:41.110 Deborah Robinson Oh, I'll keep it running. 00:36:40.524 - 00:36:42.146 Mary Ann Morris Oh ok. 00:36:41.870 - 00:36:42.820 Deborah Robinson If you don't say anything, I'll just--that'll be less I have to type out, but ((laughs)) that's fine. 00:36:42.434 - 00:36:47.310 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Ok. 00:36:45.414 - 00:36:47.984 Mary Ann Morris I'm not sure just how, you know--this would be the lake. 00:36:48.624 - 00:36:54.695 Deborah Robinson And that was a way--that was behind the village from the ocean? 00:36:54.695 - 00:36:58.750 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, ok. And this right over here would be ocean. 00:36:57.222 - 00:37:01.799 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:37:01.540 - 00:37:02.570 Mary Ann Morris Ooh. 00:37:02.734 - 00:37:04.080 Mary Ann Morris Or, how did I spell it? Is that-- 00:37:05.297 - 00:37:07.840 Deborah Robinson That's fine. Yep. That's right. 00:37:07.420 - 00:37:09.430 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:37:08.180 - 00:37:09.200 Mary Ann Morris All right. 00:37:09.816 - 00:37:12.427 Mary Ann Morris This--I'll draw over here. I'm, I'm not too sure what, what proportions are where. 00:37:12.818 - 00:37:19.407 Mary Ann Morris But right here--and this is looking--how would I do this? 00:37:19.614 - 00:37:25.094 Mary Ann Morris I better do it right. 00:37:25.511 - 00:37:27.567 Deborah Robinson ((laughs)) 00:37:26.791 - 00:37:30.064 Mary Ann Morris #### 00:37:29.107 - 00:37:31.415 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:37:31.985 - 00:37:33.132 Mary Ann Morris I'll do this. 00:37:36.062 - 00:37:37.319 Mary Ann Morris Ok, lake. 00:37:38.287 - 00:37:40.132 Mary Ann Morris And then it goes on down, you know, into the ocean. 00:37:40.825 - 00:37:44.470 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:37:44.470 - 00:37:45.566 Deborah Robinson Ok, so was there a little creek or something that came out? 00:37:45.097 - 00:37:48.230 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Yeah, it went down here. 00:37:47.520 - 00:37:49.429 Mary Ann Morris Ok. I'm going to start it from what I remember. 00:37:49.559 - 00:37:54.470 Mary Ann Morris It will be facing however, you know, 00:37:54.470 - 00:37:57.551 Mary Ann Morris but here--I'll start here. 00:37:57.551 - 00:37:59.797 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:37:59.772 - 00:38:01.016 Deborah Robinson Were the houses facing the ocean or facing the lake? 00:38:01.016 - 00:38:03.640 Mary Ann Morris #### 00:38:01.076 - 00:38:02.225 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:38:02.856 - 00:38:03.651 Deborah Robinson Facing the ocean? 00:38:03.640 - 00:38:04.727 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:38:04.727 - 00:38:05.840 Mary Ann Morris Would be facing the ocean. 00:38:05.045 - 00:38:07.995 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:38:07.440 - 00:38:08.325 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Post office. Then, you go right about here, 00:38:10.614 - 00:38:17.102 Mary Ann Morris and this would be Evanses'-- 00:38:18.679 - 00:38:21.618 Deborah Robinson The store? 00:38:22.080 - 00:38:23.530 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:38:23.064 - 00:38:24.690 Mary Ann Morris The store. And then they had a barn. 00:38:27.320 - 00:38:30.259 Mary Ann Morris You want all this? 00:38:30.730 - 00:38:32.028 Deborah Robinson Yep. 00:38:31.824 - 00:38:32.679 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:38:32.450 - 00:38:33.310 Mary Ann Morris The barn. 00:38:33.310 - 00:38:34.710 Mary Ann Morris Ok, and then would--now this is like, 00:38:34.710 - 00:38:37.776 Mary Ann Morris going on a little hill. 00:38:37.776 - 00:38:39.510 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:38:39.523 - 00:38:40.369 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:38:39.940 - 00:38:40.875 Mary Ann Morris This is sort of flat, but then the houses, 00:38:40.875 - 00:38:43.968 Deborah Robinson That was your uncle Deacon? 00:38:46.580 - 00:38:48.725 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. And Jenny. 00:38:47.869 - 00:38:50.067 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:38:50.750 - 00:38:51.820 Mary Ann Morris And then uh Gregory, 00:39:00.647 - 00:39:03.711 Deborah Robinson Gregory Takak? 00:39:03.805 - 00:39:05.445 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:39:04.935 - 00:39:05.961 Mary Ann Morris Not sure how to spell it. 00:39:06.497 - 00:39:08.572 Mary Ann Morris This is so neat. 00:39:12.354 - 00:39:14.177 Mary Ann Morris Is that how it's spelled, ### 00:39:25.923 - 00:39:28.160 Deborah Robinson Yeah. Mhm. 00:39:27.720 - 00:39:29.319 Mary Ann Morris Ok. And then, 00:39:28.861 - 00:39:31.679 Mary Ann Morris all these people would be more over here, ok, 00:39:31.679 - 00:39:34.930 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:39:34.230 - 00:39:35.270 Mary Ann Morris And then there's another house, but I'm not sure whose house that is. 00:39:35.561 - 00:39:41.109 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:39:41.039 - 00:39:42.041 Mary Ann Morris Ok and then--actually the church, 00:39:42.002 - 00:39:45.694 Mary Ann Morris uh, 00:39:45.694 - 00:39:46.581 Mary Ann Morris how do you spell "Orthodox"? 00:39:51.817 - 00:39:53.658 Deborah Robinson You can just say church. 00:39:53.568 - 00:39:55.048 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:39:54.499 - 00:39:55.655 Deborah Robinson I know what you mean. 00:39:55.188 - 00:39:57.373 Deborah Robinson So that was in the corner of the lake somewhere? 00:39:58.590 - 00:40:01.515 Mary Ann Morris Ok-- 00:39:59.028 - 00:39:59.866 Mary Ann Morris right, right--right in here. 00:40:00.048 - 00:40:01.903 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:40:01.591 - 00:40:02.701 Mary Ann Morris These, these people would be down a little bit. 00:40:01.917 - 00:40:04.166 Mary Ann Morris Ok, Russian church. 00:40:04.166 - 00:40:05.840 Deborah Robinson # want to--maybe we could even make a square where you think the houses were and just write a line. 00:40:05.721 - 00:40:09.936 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Ok. 00:40:08.294 - 00:40:10.620 Mary Ann Morris Ok the houses would--oh, her store, 00:40:10.736 - 00:40:14.218 Mary Ann Morris mhm. 00:40:14.497 - 00:40:16.606 Mary Ann Morris Ok that's the store. And then right next to it would be the barn. 00:40:17.472 - 00:40:22.741 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:40:22.260 - 00:40:23.160 Mary Ann Morris Ok, then houses, these houses, these people's houses would be right here. 00:40:22.860 - 00:40:28.490 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:40:28.280 - 00:40:29.110 Mary Ann Morris There were pretty much close together. 00:40:28.690 - 00:40:31.248 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:40:31.139 - 00:40:31.924 Mary Ann Morris And then the church would be right in here. 00:40:31.580 - 00:40:34.820 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:40:35.190 - 00:40:36.500 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:40:36.220 - 00:40:37.300 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:40:39.508 - 00:40:40.476 Deborah Robinson Aw, this is great. 00:40:50.728 - 00:40:52.098 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:40:51.728 - 00:40:53.252 Mary Ann Morris And then you'd come from the church, there's this little crick here, 00:40:53.714 - 00:40:58.750 Deborah Robinson Mhm? 00:40:58.490 - 00:40:59.350 Mary Ann Morris and this would be my grandfather's. 00:40:58.750 - 00:41:01.669 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:41:02.839 - 00:41:03.997 Mary Ann Morris I A? 00:41:11.127 - 00:41:13.174 Deborah Robinson Uh, 00:41:13.078 - 00:41:14.291 Mary Ann Morris Or just I? Ok. 00:41:13.174 - 00:41:15.250 Deborah Robinson Nikolai and Tootsie, ok. 00:41:20.792 - 00:41:23.164 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:41:22.021 - 00:41:22.881 Mary Ann Morris You want last name? 00:41:22.888 - 00:41:24.295 Deborah Robinson Sure. 00:41:24.077 - 00:41:25.004 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:41:28.213 - 00:41:29.290 Mary Ann Morris Ok and then right down, ok. 00:41:31.259 - 00:41:36.040 Mary Ann Morris Do you want detail? Or ## like-- 00:41:36.040 - 00:41:39.410 Deborah Robinson Sure. Put in as much as you want. This is uh, you know-- 00:41:38.320 - 00:41:41.560 Mary Ann Morris Ok. This is their outhouse. 00:41:39.552 - 00:41:42.280 Deborah Robinson Ok. ((laughs)) 00:41:41.772 - 00:41:45.078 Mary Ann Morris I'll just-- 00:41:42.925 - 00:41:44.696 Deborah Robinson It's uh, it's neat to think about the um, the different things people remember, and, 00:41:45.110 - 00:41:50.190 Mary Ann Morris Oh? 00:41:49.250 - 00:41:50.060 Deborah Robinson you know, those kind of details are real interesting. Whether some people had them or didn't, you know. 00:41:50.532 - 00:41:56.033 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. 00:41:50.993 - 00:41:52.067 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:41:53.463 - 00:41:54.410 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Ok. 00:41:55.140 - 00:41:56.581 Mary Ann Morris And then um, maybe what--they had uh, 00:41:56.581 - 00:42:01.200 Mary Ann Morris a little um, 00:42:01.200 - 00:42:03.509 Mary Ann Morris where they'd dry fish. 00:42:03.530 - 00:42:06.130 Deborah Robinson Oh, so was that something that they used, or did--did they share that with neighbors too? 00:42:05.145 - 00:42:08.920 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Mhm. 00:42:08.712 - 00:42:10.140 Deborah Robinson Or did-- 00:42:08.920 - 00:42:09.910 Mary Ann Morris They--yeah. 00:42:10.140 - 00:42:11.735 Mary Ann Morris They would share. 00:42:12.290 - 00:42:13.390 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:42:13.410 - 00:42:14.200 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. 00:42:13.820 - 00:42:14.830 Deborah Robinson So not--you don't remember every house had a f- fish drying shed like that? It was just some people? 00:42:14.800 - 00:42:19.752 Mary Ann Morris Mm. 00:42:15.360 - 00:42:16.140 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:42:18.860 - 00:42:19.580 Mary Ann Morris Well, I--I was just, I could remember, 00:42:19.892 - 00:42:24.476 Deborah Robinson You probably remember your grandparents a lot because you spent time there. 00:42:23.552 - 00:42:27.084 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. Yeah. 00:42:24.592 - 00:42:26.370 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. And then I, I remember my grandpa going down, getting dry fish. Ok. 00:42:26.479 - 00:42:32.080 Deborah Robinson Hm. Ok. 00:42:30.830 - 00:42:32.668 Mary Ann Morris So should I say storage? 00:42:32.080 - 00:42:35.177 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh. 00:42:34.890 - 00:42:35.780 Mary Ann Morris Storage, ok. 00:42:37.174 - 00:42:39.280 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:42:42.125 - 00:42:43.376 Deborah Robinson And that's where he dried his fish, in that shed? 00:42:48.078 - 00:42:50.589 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. That's where he stored it. 00:42:49.800 - 00:42:52.360 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:42:51.944 - 00:42:53.005 Mary Ann Morris Ok. And then, 00:42:55.533 - 00:42:57.435 Mary Ann Morris Going this way, there's--Mother said that there was a little house, 00:42:57.756 - 00:43:02.811 Mary Ann Morris and that would be, um, Andrew. 00:43:02.811 - 00:43:07.400 Mary Ann Morris I think this, this would be him. 00:43:07.400 - 00:43:10.311 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:43:08.460 - 00:43:09.240 Deborah Robinson So he would have been the--either the priest or the reader, whoever it was that the Church sent over there? 00:43:13.885 - 00:43:19.620 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. Mhm. 00:43:18.832 - 00:43:19.677 Deborah Robinson Mhm? Andrew Yagoslov? 00:43:19.620 - 00:43:21.352 Deborah Robinson Yagoslov? 00:43:21.910 - 00:43:23.185 Mary Ann Morris He--ask, ask um, the priest about this name, and see if that's where-- 00:43:23.600 - 00:43:29.625 Deborah Robinson Oh ok. 00:43:26.900 - 00:43:28.200 Deborah Robinson Mhm. 00:43:28.535 - 00:43:29.398 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:43:45.340 - 00:43:46.701 Mary Ann Morris Ok, and then I will go, 00:43:48.075 - 00:43:51.686 Mary Ann Morris ok. 00:43:54.310 - 00:43:55.290 Deborah Robinson It's kind of noisy in here today unfortunately. ((laughs)) 00:43:54.839 - 00:43:57.980 Mary Ann Morris Oh no. That's ok. That doesn't bother me. 00:43:56.620 - 00:43:59.070 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:43:58.986 - 00:44:00.061 Mary Ann Morris You know. 00:43:59.070 - 00:44:00.372 Mary Ann Morris Ok. 00:44:00.871 - 00:44:02.030 Deborah Robinson Now do you remember was there um, was it just a kind of a two-track? Was it just um, 00:44:01.818 - 00:44:07.511 Mary Ann Morris Oh. 00:44:02.770 - 00:44:03.700 Deborah Robinson was there any roads built, or was it just paths and tracks? 00:44:07.604 - 00:44:11.791 Mary Ann Morris Paths. 00:44:10.360 - 00:44:11.440 Deborah Robinson Yeah. 00:44:11.791 - 00:44:12.641 Mary Ann Morris Uh-huh. Ok. 00:44:11.858 - 00:44:13.673 Deborah Robinson You didn't have any four-wheelers in those days. ((laughs)) 00:44:14.170 - 00:44:17.770 Mary Ann Morris No. But they did have a wagon, I remember. 00:44:16.192 - 00:44:19.924 Mary Ann Morris One time my dad, going to the beach, 00:44:19.924 - 00:44:23.651 Mary Ann Morris and he was going to go get um, uh firewood, 00:44:23.651 - 00:44:28.290 Deborah Robinson Uh-huh? 00:44:28.290 - 00:44:29.419 Mary Ann Morris so we had a wagon and a horse. 00:44:28.759 - 00:44:31.302 Deborah Robinson Ok. So there some horses in the village that-- 00:44:31.302 - 00:44:33.513 Mary Ann Morris Yeah. Mhm. 00:44:31.456 - 00:44:33.358 Deborah Robinson Were those the Evanses that had the horse, do you think? 00:44:33.513 - 00:44:35.689 Mary Ann Morris I believe so, yeah. 00:44:34.746 - 00:44:37.490 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:44:36.759 - 00:44:37.673 Mary Ann Morris Ok. Then I'll go right here, 00:44:39.920 - 00:44:42.657 Mary Ann Morris This would be my mom. Ok. Frank. 00:44:42.657 - 00:44:47.220 Deborah Robinson And Polly? 00:44:50.086 - 00:44:51.335 Mary Ann Morris Pauline. 00:44:50.990 - 00:44:51.830 Deborah Robinson So that's the house you remember growing up, when you were in Kanatak? 00:44:51.335 - 00:44:54.940 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. 00:44:52.910 - 00:44:53.810 Mary Ann Morris Mm. 00:44:53.810 - 00:44:54.630 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:44:55.540 - 00:44:56.470 Mary Ann Morris I'll go ahead, 00:44:57.137 - 00:45:00.558 Mary Ann Morris and put it like that. 00:45:00.665 - 00:45:03.680 Mary Ann Morris But then I'll put it--well, maybe I'll, I'll do it this way. 00:45:03.680 - 00:45:06.835 Deborah Robinson I'll just spell it the right way, yeah. 00:45:05.695 - 00:45:07.472 Deborah Robinson And you say that Yagie? 00:45:07.472 - 00:45:08.790 Mary Ann Morris Mhm. Yagie, uh-huh. 00:45:08.606 - 00:45:10.630 Deborah Robinson Ok. 00:45:09.324 - 00:45:10.199 Mary Ann Morris I didn't--I didn't-- 00:45:10.688 - 00:45:12.506